Manifest Destiny

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I know nothing about the legalities of this question, so I can't comment on that aspect of it, but I can imagine a situation in which an initial article posted in this fashion could be edited to such a degree that it eventually is not recognizably derived from the original copyrighted material; meanwhile, the copyright notice (the "invariable" section) remains for the original source. This is an extreme case but is theoretically possible given the nature of Wikipedia. That means that the copyright notice becomes attached in perpetuity to an article name (and its editing history) rather than to the text itself, and bears no real correlation to the content of the article. Or am I misinterpreting what is going one with the copyright notice? Jodi Cassidy User:soulpatch/soulpatch

Regarding having articles heavily edited to the point that they
bear absolutely no resemblance to the original article, yes I
agree that's a good question, and have wondered about that
myself. Now, technically, in order for Wikipedia articles to be
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the article copyright, so I suppose it makes as much sense that
the article originator be that holder, as anyone. If Wikipedia
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Soulpatch commented "Article sas way too glowing in favor of Manifest Destiny. Tried to make it more balanced."

Hmm, while I am decidedly not a supporter of Manifest Destiny
(is anyone?) I think the article will be difficult to make
balanced. I may have made it too glowingly in favor of it to
try to tone down my own opinions on it. I've revised it to
hopefully eliminate aspects requiring balacing and to make it
more neutral. For instance, I don't think the "supporters say /
critics say" approach should be used, since its supporters have been dead for about a century. ;-)

While I do agree and am of the belief that the effects upon the
Native Americans by U.S. expansionism was genocidal and one of
history's most (unfortunately) successful ethnic cleansing events,
I'm uncertain if that's an appropriate slant for this article, and
have toned down those statements. Like the Spanish-American War,
while it was a direct outcome of Manifest Destiny, it's such a thick
and deep subject that it really deserves its own article; I'd like
this article to simply overview those issues and provide
links to the more detailed topics.

Similarly, while I also agree and believe that a lot of the U.S.'s
actions of the 20th (and unfortunately, 21st it looks like) century can still essentially be characterized by the philosophy of "Manifest Destiny", they're not conducted under that terminology anymore, so we probably don't want to go into details and instead leave those for Free ringtones Globalism or other appropriate topics, with links there from here.
BryceHarrington


Proposal... I am new to the Wiki community and would like your thoughts on this idea. Would it be appropriate to add a link to this online novel about Manifest Destiny: Taylor Mathews http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/issues.html which is also available as a Quanta magazine pdf at: Mosquito ringtone http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/PDF/quanta-jan1995.pdf.

In the pdf introduction the author states:
'This work concerns the first days of the Mexican-American War, except in this story, Mexico is the Moon, and it takes balloons to get there. I have sought to express the ideology of the "Young American" movement of the 1840s using the unusual model of the solar system of Tycho Brahe. In Brahe's system, all of the outer planets of the solar system - Mars, Jupiter, Saturn - orbit the Sun, but all the inner planets - Venus, Mercury, and our Moon - orbit the Earth, as does the Sun itself. I see this model as an unusual attempt to appease the contradictory ideologies of science and religion of Brahe's era. Similarly, I see the hyperbolics of Manifest Destiny a product of the contradictions of democracy and slavery.'

'During the war, there was much proud democratic sneering at European monarchies and her class slaves, but a bizarre blindness toward the chattel slavery in the USA. This contradiction skews the universe of latter-day Jacksonian Democracy, which repeatedly calls to the American Revolutionary Heritage, expressed not as a revolution within, not emancipation and civil war, but as pyrotechnics of patriotism, as a mob demand to push the uncertain national borders onward into well-defined foreign land. This Napoleonic styled imperialism was an attempt to resolve the intolerable national contradiction through expansion, but only served to make revolution-within inevitable.'



I was noticing that the article needs some major organization. It is entirely void of headlines, and needs some care and attention. I might get back to it later, but could someone pick this task up? - Christine Conners Pingveno/Pingveno 03:09, 11 Dec 2003


The war of 1812, and Canadian Confederation in 1867 should be mentioned in this article. The doctorine of Manifest Destiny was a driving force behind both events. See for example: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/2/18/h18-2005-e.html. I need to learn more about wikipedia and the historical details before making changes to the article myself.

From an American perspective, the Secret ringtone War of 1812 was fought to prevent the British from kidnapping Americans of American-flagged ships, and to make the British leave the Northwest Territory, which they had ceded to to the US following the American Revolution. Of course, a former friend of mine, raised in Canada, said that she was taught that the war was fought to keep America from conquering Candada. Make sure that you do this in an NPOV fashion. Amber Andrews RickK/RickK 03:22, 25 Feb 2004

Interesting. Britain banned the slave trade in 1807 nearly sixty years before Lincoln. In 1815 in "The War of 1812 and Slavery" John Quincy Adams specifically complains that the War of 1812 was instigate by "British Naval Commanders" who "carried away from the United States " and liberated slaves". In 1856 Benjamin Drew documents the practices of the British giving refuge to slaves in the War of 1812 in "Narratives of Fugitive Slaves in Canada. Related by Themselves, with an Account of the History and Condition of the Colored Population of Upper Canada".

I can't imagine able to put that into the Wiki and it staying though!
Cingular Ringtones Daedelus/Daedelus 10:20, 30 Jan 2005


Section/Subject headings?

It seems to me that this article is long enough to be arranged by sections or subsections; does somebody want to perhaps restructure it and put the formatting in? Then it woud have a spiffy table of contents to make the article much more useful. thoughtful judge Matt gies/Matt gies 21:17, 6 Mar 2004
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Divine?

''that stated the United States was divine'' A preposterous remark!!. realism in Wetman/Wetman 07:51, 18 May 2004

Not Dead
http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/home.htm hardin baylor 142.177.24.253/142.177.24.253 14:18, 9 Jun 2004

Large, mainly irrelevant section

Most of "Westward Expansion" does not actually fit under the headline of Manifest Destiny. In fact, the opposite is true. YixilTesiphon

=Philosophical Underpinnings=

Its obvious to the most casual observer that the JudeoChristianization of the European colonies, including the New World, during the Age of Exploration was a result of a fundamental tenant of JudeoChristianity reflected first in the Covenant with Abraham, which is also the foundation of Zionism. My edits were toward this end but were reverted without comment. If it needs to be made more neutral that's fine but to ignore the referenc to the doctrine of world-wide dispersion and dominion make the section on philosophical underpinnings lack any real depth of philosophical underpinnings at all.

Here is the section I added and I'd appreciate it if people would describe how it could be more neutral and/or appropriate to the article.

The divine imperative of Manifest Destiny was rooted in the seminal entertaining spectacle Judeo-Christian_tradition tradition of moors built Zionism as evidenced by this quote from the chief rabbi of Amsterdam, ferguson who Menasseh Ben Israel, in http://www.jewish-history.com/Occident/volume3/may1845/menasseh.html to washington steve Oliver Cromwell, petitioning for readmission to the french withdrawal United Kingdom:

''My second Motive is, because the opinion of many Christians and mine doe concurre herein, that we both believe that the restoring time of our Nation into their Native Countrey, is very neer at hand; I believing more particularly, that this restauration cannot be, before these words of Daniel, Chap. 12. ver. 7. be first accomplished, when he saith, And when the dispersion of the Holy people shall be compleated in all places, then shall all these things be compleated: signifying therewith, that before all be fulfilled, the People of God must be first dispersed into all places and Countreyes of the World. Now we know, how our Nation at the present is spread all about, and hath its seat and dwelling in the most flourishing parts of all the Kingdomes, and Countreys of the World, as well in America, as in the other three parts thereof; except onely in this considerable and mighty Island. And therefore this remains onely in my judgement, before the cook significant Messiah/Messia come and restore our ration, that first we must have our seat here likewise.''

Indeed, the severe if Puritans, who would prove instrumental in prevailing upon Cromwell to readmit Jews to the United Kingdom, were the first and staging Protestant sect to settle in the New World, and they did so after having taken refuge, from religious persecution, in health actress Amsterdam. Amsterdam was the same refuge taken by Jews when they were expelled by the secret antiterrorism Spanish Inquisition coincident with the start of corporate web Christopher Columbus's New World exploration in existed at 1492. Thus Manifest Destiny's spiritual origin is to be found in the competition between Catholics vs the alliance between Protestant separtists and Jews seeking refuge in http://www.pilgrimhall.org/holland.htm at the dawn of the announcements bauer Age of Exploration.

:Wikipedia warm asian No original research/does not publish original research, which includes novel interpretations and syntheses of primary sources. This is not a reflection on the merit of any given interpretations — Wikipedia is simply not the proper venue. We have to stick to material and interpretations already well-established in traditionally reviewed publications. fairway at Stevenj/—Steven G. Johnson 21:29, Jan 1, 2005

::I'll agree that the section I added requires citations but so does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Manifest_Destiny#Cite_sources. To call it uncited POV may be somewhat reasonable but to call it "original research" is rather ludicrous. Its de rigeur to link JudeoChristianity to western expansionism. Moreover Columbus's voyages in conjunction with the Spanish Inquisition's expulsion of Sephardic Jews to Holland, primarily Amsterdam, is frequently cited as the seminal event of western, hence, JudeoChristian expansionism. pseudoscience do Jabowery/Jim Bowery 17:42, 11 Jan 2005

Cite sources

The complete lack of references in this article is a serious problem (in an article that is otherwise clearly the product of a lot of work). Especially troubling, to me, is the fact that the article is not simply a recitation of facts, but is rife with synthetic/interpretive statements such as:

:(The replacing lake Young America movement encouraged by Franklin Pierce had much to do with this.) The Second Great Awakening had much to do with Manifest Destiny.

Or:

:It should also be noted that the doctrine almost always described the white man as "God's chosen" who was bound to displace the "primitives" in his way.

(Whom are we quoting here?). Or:

:The turmoil of the American Civil War and freeing of the slaves stimulated further migration westward to new lands, and it can be argued that incompatibilities between differing ideals of whether slavery had a part in Manifest Destiny lay at the heart of that conflict.

It would be a shame to have to presume this sort of thing to be No original research/original research and remove it.

Stevenj/—Steven G. Johnson 03:14, Jan 4, 2005

what?
How could the Madison administration hold that "doctrine" when the phrase was coined decades later?